I've cut the first part out of this presentation by Voddie Baucham that breaks down how the Bible is unique among books. In a world where information is distorted and truth is dismissed, this is a good study.
I skipped right to meat of it in Part 3:
Part 4 continues the point..
Part 5 is quite enjoyable...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jF79UQ8sjJI&feature=youtube_gdata_player
The interesting case of extant manuscripts in museums is quite a talley:
Over 6,000 manuscripts of the New Testmament survive that date to the Early Church. The earliest surviving ones date to just 40 years after John wrote the book of Revelation. Comparatively, there are only about 10 copies of Julius' Caesar's Gallic Wars and the earliest copy found was written 900 years after the orginial. Ditto that for all the great works of antiquity. The oldest surviving copy was penned many centuries after the original. The Bible is unique in the quantity of copies from the Roman era, the consistancy of the manuscripts with each other, and how close in time the copies were to the orignial eyewitnesses.
The relevent Scriptures are 2 Peter 1:19-21
I skipped right to meat of it in Part 3:
Part 4 continues the point..
Part 5 is quite enjoyable...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jF79UQ8sjJI&feature=youtube_gdata_player
The interesting case of extant manuscripts in museums is quite a talley:
Over 6,000 manuscripts of the New Testmament survive that date to the Early Church. The earliest surviving ones date to just 40 years after John wrote the book of Revelation. Comparatively, there are only about 10 copies of Julius' Caesar's Gallic Wars and the earliest copy found was written 900 years after the orginial. Ditto that for all the great works of antiquity. The oldest surviving copy was penned many centuries after the original. The Bible is unique in the quantity of copies from the Roman era, the consistancy of the manuscripts with each other, and how close in time the copies were to the orignial eyewitnesses.
The relevent Scriptures are 2 Peter 1:19-21
19 We have also a more sure word of prophecy; whereunto ye do well that ye take heed, as unto a light that shineth in a dark place, until the day dawn, and the day star arise in your hearts:
20 Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation.
21 For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost.As ya'll know, I'm a big picture person. I hope to share with you some intriguing documentaries in the coming days that I've come across that will challenge you.
Yet much of that writing is influenced by the overwhelming amount of Greek mythology.
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DeleteIt would be ironic if that were so that there are more surviving manuscripts of the NT than the original work of the Greeks.
The New Testament is a complement to the Old Testament. The list of fulfilled prophecies are astronomically astounding. Psalm 22 and the crucifixion is just one example.
The book of Proverbs is modeled after the Egyptian book of Amenemope that predated the Bible by centuries. When Judaism came about it was already influenced by the Canaanites and the Moabites. That entire region was full of all kinds of 'savior' stories and salvation myths during the time of Christ. Even the story of Christ's resurrection has it's roots in the mythologies of Egypt's Osiris. There were as many Saviour myths as resurrection myths in most religions in that region of the world during the time of Christ. Actually, every culture in the region has the concept of a dying and resurrected god. Most of this is attributed to the fact that agriculture started in that region and it was based on seasons of the harvest. In ancient Babylon there was Tammuz and Ishtar as the mother of Tammuz. In ancient Greece it was the Greek god Adonis.
DeleteBefore the Bible, all stories were handed down orally, this includes in Judaism. Stories change a lot in this tradition. When one god dies, another shows up to replace the old one. This has how it has always been and will always remain. It's from the deep deep desire for the human person to gain immortality. But one thing is certain, during that religion's reign, people believe every word of it no matter the religion. Each create war and kill in the name of that God, Christian, Muslim, Judaic, Hindu, or Buddhist. Makes no difference.
The fact that all mythologies have a central archetypal features reflects that there is a central spiritual reality that even the devil uses to his own advantage.
DeleteChrist resurrection is not a story, it is Truth. Even the pagans around heard about it. It is true that there are many savior myths because the Antichrist is priming people for taking the place. of the savior. The element you are missing is the Holy Spirit. You would do well to study the specific prophecies of Christ's coming (riding on a donkey in Zechariah, ex) to the fulfilled prophecy in the NT.
The love of money is the root of all evil, not the love of the truth. I can argue that more people have been killed by secular humanist regimes than religious ones. (Although I would also argue that those weren't godless regimes, but rather heavily into the occult)
The Pagans had their own resurrection myths. This has nothing to do with Antichrist mythologies. These Pagen and other world myths were around long before Christ and even before the formation of Judaism which got it's stories and mythologies directly from Canaanite, Babylonian and Egyptian mythology. The Holy Spirit, part of the Trinity of course, is 3 gods in one. You have to either believe it is 3 gods or you have to believe that Holy Spirit is the operations of this one God and not a noun. Many theologians debate this because it is derived from a Greek translation of the Bible and translated the Jewish text into Greek but mistranslated into a noun as a separate entity from God and Son. The Greek word was pneuma hagion. Pneuma is breath, a non-material thing. Meaning the breath of God or the spirit of God. In other words, it is not separate from God as the Trinity suggests. Many denominations do not recognize the Holy Ghost or Holy Spirit as separate but more of a say in which God moves in the world. When it comes to myth this Trinity is more represented in three separate gods in these non-Christian myths: Zeus (the father or head in Greek myth); Holy Ghost is how God operates in the world and every pagan religion has at it's core spirits that act in the world and operate unseen forces in the world; and the Son meaning Christ which I already talked about with the various myth examples of virgin birth and resurrection myths.
DeleteSecular Humanism is not out to destroy myth or religion. I'm not sure why that is always brought up with discussions of religion and faith since it is not a faith.
Every myth during the time of Christ and way before the time of Christ had fortune telling prophecies. They all gravitated to the prophetic visions of the future. In Hindu, Kalki, something like the 10th incarnation of Vishnu will come riding a white horse, wielding a huge sword and will destroy all evil. The Egyptian myths say the Sun God Ra will return to restore spiritual order after the chaotic initiatory test. Even the Mayans prophecies say the end of the world will be this year in December and will bring in a new age. Nothing new under the sun. As far as the book of Revelations, it isn't prophecy. I might suggest a book to you by a great author;
http://www.amazon.com/Revelations-Visions-Prophecy-Politics-Revelation/dp/0670023345
The Devil is based on and modeled after the Greek Gods Pan and Hades.
DeleteGood grief, what a bunch of mumbo jumbo. If you don't have the Holy Spirit, then you just don't understand the Peace. The fulfillment of specific prophecies in the New Testament of Old Testament promises make the Bible unlike all your mythology parallels.
DeleteI find it very interesting that you have a need to tell me why my faith is crap and say I am promoting fear. Could it be that you are afraid that I might be right and that would mean you are in danger?
I don't fear anything you say. I say there is nothing to fear in what you claim is your faith because I believe it is all mythology. I find that there are so many literalists running around as Christians that they want to make the second coming a self fulfilling prophecy by fueling the fire of their armageddon by pushing for their ridiculous racist notions of Israel as God's chosen state and chosen people. This is true of the literalist Christians in this nation and the extreme Islamists in the Islamic nations. I don't fear your God because I don't recognize it as a God. I don't even believe in the notion or word God.
DeleteThe Bible commands us to take every word seriously, thus you have literalists as you call them. Those denominations that are not literalist are fixing to go the way of the dodo, merging into the vast deception that is fixing to overcome the world.
DeleteI believe the current nations of Israel is a deception because I am a literalist AND I am watching the wall of current events. I would love to ask Christians this little riddle. If God is so pure and holy, why would he allow the United Nations, whose spiritual hub is the Lucis Trust (which has its office in its building and runs its meditation room) to found His country? The Lucis Trust admits that Lucifer is the real savior of humanity and has a prayer to the antichrist on their website. Am I supposed to believe that God needed a satanic outfit to get his people together in Israel. In Daniel it speaks of the abomination of the desolation - which to this literalist means that God doesn't recognize the nation of Israel as the antichrist will be crowning himself (as god) in the temple the Jews are planning to build (desolation - because God doesn't recognize their efforts). Revelation says the antichrist will turn on the Jews - like shooting fish in a barrel. Jesus said that they wouldn't accept Him, but in another's name they would accept.
So I understand your frustrations with the Israel worshipping Christians that haven't connected the dots with Israel and just call them God's chosen people. I believe that they are, but they're going to go through some major judgement first, according to what I read.
For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God. I Cor 1:18
One of my favorite verses--Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation.
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II Peter; 10:But chiefly them that walk after the flesh in the lust of uncleanness, and despise government. Presumptuous are they, self-willed, they are not afraid to speak evil of dignities.
They hate our Government and want to turn it into Socialism/Communism.
They called Bush Hitler and other vile names, and made a movie of his death and said that they wanted to tear out Chaney's heart and stomp on it.
II Peter; 14; Having eyes full of adultery, and that cannot cease from sin; beguiling unstable souls: a heart they have exercised with covetous practices; cursed children.
Worshiping Mother Earth, gaea/athena/venus.
They want to take from the rich.
And the children - abortion.
Thanks for more great verses from 2 Peter. I think the hating on Bush is all part of the Hegelian Act. The Bush family is into some very weird occultic stuff from my observations, so I think these verses would apply to them as wel. They've done as much as Obama to get us into the NWO -Luciferian one world government.
DeleteThey want to take from the rich? The rich have stolen from all of us. Who do you think owns Monsanto? Come on people, start connecting the dots here. Not to mention that Jesus wanted to take from the rich and give to the poor as well. He's the number one model of many progressive Christian movements. I've never met anyone hating government than the Teaparty.
ReplyDeleteBush deserved to be called Hitler, his actions were hell on innocent people all over the world. Cheney was disgusting. When you face evil, call it out. Bush and Cheney were evil. Torture is evil, giving more money to the military to bomb innocent civilians is evil all the while taking from the poor and middle class in this country is evil. What the bankers and Wall Street did to this country is evil. Capitalism is filled with evil because it promotes greed. Those that are greedy are bringing down their own system that promotes greed. No where in the Bible does it say greed is good. Obama hasn't done much to change course from the Bush administration despite his claiming he would during the 2008 elections. His actions with drones and continuing the Bush/Cheney policies are just as evil.
DeleteII Peter; 10:But chiefly them that walk after the flesh in the lust of uncleanness, and despise government. Presumptuous are they, self-willed, they are not afraid to speak evil of dignities.
I'd say that describes the lust filled system we live in.
I'd say that describes those greedy bastards on Wall Street and all the politicians they have bought off.
If there is no God, then how can there be evil?
DeleteThe links between the Bush family and the Luciferian groups helped me click with how evil they really were. I used to think it was just liberal trash talk, but now I see that they get their power from an incredibly tainted well.
I would say capitialism is not evil, but monopoly capitialism is. Regular mom and pop capitalism makes for a happy society, but it morphs into the vampire squid because people don't follow Paul's admonition to be content with such things as ye have.
Evil can exist in the hearts and mind of man with or without a God. If there is a God then that God also created evil if he/she/it created everything else.
ReplyDeletePrescott Bush was a traitor.
Evil isn't necessarily an external force. It can be how people treat each other if they treat each other badly to humiliate them or to harm them in a deliberate way to cause pain and suffering. It's not just Christianity that believes that there is evil in the world.
DeleteThis is getting increasingly juvenile. Where did I say/imply that only Christianity beleives there is evil in the world? That's just asinine. The jungle tribes believe in evil spirits.
DeleteYou are describing the sin nature that the Bible says we are all born with from the Fall.
RM, you asked "If there is no God, then how can there be evil?" I was answering that question. As I said before, if there is evil and God created everything, then he/she/it also created evil.
DeleteGod created Lucifer with free will that then turned evil and unleashed spiritual death on creation.
DeleteAnon: Evil isn't necessarily an external force. It can be how people treat each other if they treat each other badly to humiliate them or to harm them in a deliberate way to cause pain and suffering.
ReplyDeleteThat isn't even close to defining evil.
You are not aware of your surroundings you must be 30 or less.
God also created evil. That part you got right.
Prescott Bush was a traitor. That part you got right.
George Herbert Bush is a cultist. Republican Mother got that right.
So are most of the Politicians. Most belong to the Bohemian Grove, as well as the News People. David Gergen admitted it to Alex Jones when confronting Gergen about the Owl Worship (Molech) at the Bohemian Grove.
Obama, Al Gore, Bill Bubba Clinton, George Bush Sr. and Bush Jr, Jimmy Carter, FDR.
There is said to be about 20 President that are secret societies.
Bush Sr. and GW Bush and Gore are Scull and Bones.
The News people are of The Scroll and Key.
There are Mason Calendars with the Pres. Pictures for the months-that reason I don't know why each are assigned to different months.
The Founders were Masons but not of the ill group of today.
The Founders did not like the Illuminate taking over the European Blue Lodge.
That was what the Revolution was really about.
The Original Declaration of Independence states that they denounce the Masons. And stated this was a Christan Nation, as well as the Supreme Court in the late 1800's. That is where Anon is wrong Again!
Reagan wasn't a Mason, that's why they put George Bush Sr. as VP to keep a close reign on him, he still scared them with his public support so, tried to off him.
He lived so they surrounded him with Fabians.
Some are into Witch Craft.
All this is still going on, since the Bible warned us about these ill people and their quest to enslave peoples SOULS.
That IS why I believe that the Bible IS TRUE. It is the best History Book I've read, and I spent over 10 yrs. finding these ill people and tracking them back to the future. Some books jumped off the shelves in the Library as I walked down the Isles, read me-they called out.
Ha, tracking them back to the future. I find an interesting place to look is the society pages of yesteryear where all our leaders today are sitting together at a wedding wearing short pants.
DeleteThere is definitely spiritual warfare going on. The Elite know about it, only a small fraction of Christians acknowledge it, and everyone else is a pawn (the Elite call them profane).
Oh please show me where I'm wrong again. Show that original Declaration of Independence and where exactly it says we are a Christian nation and it denounces Free Masonry.
DeleteYou have my age wrong. I'm over 50 and I still don't buy into your conspiracy theory of mythic proportions, nor do I buy into your superstitions masked as religion.
DeleteAs far as Bohemian Grove is concerned, the left has known about this problematic right wing enclave for quite some time. Bill Clinton is not a member, neither was FDR, neither is Obama, Al Gore or Jimmy Carter.
Deletehttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Bohemian_Club_members
http://www.fair.org/index.php?page=1489
As far as the Skull and Bones membership, there is no evidence that Gore or Clinton belonged to it. John Kerry did however.
Deletehttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Skull_and_Bones_members#20th_century
R M, a good book to check out is Titled "Merchant Bankers", written by a Warberg.
ReplyDeleteBeing an insider was able to interview the other families.
Yes those Elite families have all inner married. One big family Reunion.
Anon I did not say that the Document stated that this country is a Christan Nation, but the Founders themselves said such.
I did not say that Obama, Bubba, were members of the skull and bones-but all are intertwined in the same one big society.
Royal Arch, Knights Templars, Fabians, Pit of Vipers, Horizons, Demolays, Eastern Star, Daughters of the Nile, Skull and bones, Scottish Rite, Knights of Arabia, The Eagles, Shriners, just to many to list, and I don't even know all of them but the ones listed - all fall under the Masons umbrella.
Illuminati, counsel foreign relations, tri lateral committee, Build berg, the list is just to long.
Republican Mother know most of all the Foundations and other money collecting (stashing) organizations.
I'm surprised you are as old as you state. And want to harbor these ill ones.
R M is young and is well aware of her surroundings. KUDOS
I think Anon would do well to check out The Irrational Athiest by Vox Day where he really does a fine job logically breaking this stuff down for them.
DeleteIt's a fact that monied interests have gamed the system. I believe this is what is prophecied in Revelation as the Whore of Babylon. It literally sucks the wealth out of the people and capitializes it into a prison complex for them. Political parties are just tools for them to game the people. I'm tired of watching people be manipulated.
Thanks for all the thought out comments.
Where exactly am I "harboring these ill ones?"
DeleteYour other statement clearly stated: "The Original Declaration of Independence states that they denounce the Masons. And stated this was a Christan Nation..." It's your words that stated that the document said this was a Christian nation.
However, our nation's founders never said this was a Christian nation. Especially since most of our nations founders were a mixture of Deists, Atheists, Agnostics and Christians (nothing like the literalists of today). None of them would have supported a Christian nation, not even the Christians signing the documents. John Adams, for example, was a Unitarian Christian but rejected the Trinity and didn't want America to be a Christian nation. He distrusted the dogma of Christianity, as did the rest of them. They were influenced by the Enlightenment.
Free Masons and the rest of the list you compounded have nothing to do with political conpiracies. With the exceptions of The Fabians is a political organization and Think Tank like we have in the states of which some are political and some are not. The Fabians are aligned with the Labour party of England. So What! The Illuminati and the rest of your list is completely different that the list above it. They don't even belong in the same pool.
As far as being an Atheist is concerned, I never said I was an Atheist. I don't believe in your concept of God or the concept of the word God. It's a word itself that is problematic. It is irrational to think the Bible as literal fact. That is what is irrational. To think a book written by men for one tribe in the Middle East can act as a fortune teller for people 2000 years later is irrational thinking. To me, it's much like believing in the tooth fairy or Athena or Zeus or Apollo. Especially when 90% of the Bible is metaphor and myth.
I really don't care if you believe in a personal God. That's fine by me. But do not expect the rest of the country to cater to your beliefs and enforce them on the rest of us through what laws you may want to seek to pass to take away freedoms from other people. The rest of us do not want to live in a Theocracy. If your religious beliefs serve you, that's fine. I don't live my life by fear. I don't fear your God or anyone's God. The fear language is used by right wingers to try to get people to convert out of fear of hell and damnation. For me, once I realized all that I was forced to learn since I was a child was all b.s, I felt no fear and felt truly free. Good luck to you.
Monied interests have gamed the system throughout Western history as well as Eastern history. One only needs to look at history. You're right it literally sucks the wealth out of the people and capitalizes it into a prison complex. I agree with the rest. But I don't need some so called prophesy, that was never meant as a prophesy to begin with, to see it.
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