Although the women of the United States are confined within the narrow circle of domestic life, and their situation is, in some respects, one of extreme dependence, I have nowhere seen woman occupying a loftier position; and if I were asked... in which I have spoken of so many important things done by Americans, to what the singular prosperity and growing strength of that people ought mainly to be attributed, I should reply, To the superiority of their women.

--Alexis de Tocqueville, Democracy in America

Thursday, December 29, 2011

Rick Santorum: Let's Dig a Little Deeper

I've given many of the other candidates the same treatment, and came across an interesting listing by a fellow DPer. I will attempt to verify the information, which tests my internet research prowess. I love a challenge!


Rick Santorum: The Biggest Loser
The top reasons Rick became THE BIGGEST LOSER:
Rick was improperly spending tax dollars on HIS family.He took $100,000 from a struggling PA public school district to pay for his children’s “cyber” education program.
Unfortunately, Rick and his family were living in suburban Virginia then, so they were not entitled to those funds.
And when exposed in the press, Rick wouldn’t pay back the money, so the school district had to go to court to get it back — which cost us even MORE money.
Pretty hypocritical, since Rick won his first congressional race by attacking the incumbent for living in VA instead of PA.
 To be fair, I can see this both ways. He did have a residence in both places. My question, as a homeschool mom, is why the heck does it cost $100,000 dollars to "cyber" educate five kids? That's insane. Let me put it in perspective: I spend about $1,000 to homeschool my three kids for a whole year! I hope those kids got some killer laptops and a premium Lazy-boy recliner desk combo!
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– Rick voted against raising the minimum wage 8 times. But he did vote to allow his own pay to be raised by $8000.When he did propose a small increase, he excluded 10 million workers who live on tips, and even tried to end overtime pay beyond the 40-hour work week.
And who would have benefitted from that? The owners of big chain restaurants like Outback Steakhouse. And big hourly employers like Wal-Mart.
No wonder Rick took the Wal-Mart corporate jet to Florida for his fancy political fundraiser with Outback Steakhouse executives. (and oh, by the way, that was the same trip as Rick’s infamous visit to Terry Schiavo’s hospice when other events had been canceled out of “respect” for the Schiavo family).

As a free-market type, I don't support a minimum wage because it discriminates against the low-skilled workers. The hypocrisy here is that he voted to up his own pay which does not reflect a public service mindset. The amount of cronies about him that would benefit from not raising the minimum wage also reeks of special interest influence and not of free market principles.
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– Rick wanted to privatize Social Security and raise the retirement age.Remember, he was serving as a U.S. Senator from Pennsylvania — the second oldest state in the country.
Seriously, he led the charge for George W. Bush’s Social Security privatization plan, thinking Wall Street a safe place for the retirement funds of America’s seniors.
And he said not only would he raise the retirement age to “at least” 70 — he “would go even farther” if he could.
I'll be the first one to admit you have to do something with social security, but from what I've learned about our whole financial system, I sure as heck don't want JP Morgan Chase or Bank of America managing my social security, do you?? How much have people lost on Wall Street since 2008? From those who have been following my Wall Street series on the Bolsheviks and FDR, you know what I'm talking about. This would give a select few Insider cartel companies a no-bid monopoly on the entire Social Security fund. What could possibly go wrong? I know that when conservatives hear the word privitization, they think private ownership = good. However, what they fail to understand is that the companies allowed to do the privitization are all pre-selected and chosen over smaller companies that are not connected with the machine. It's like having all the letters of the alphabet and being told you get to choose A, B, or C and when you're choice is not satisfactory, you get told, but you had a "choice"! Wrong. You did not have a free choice, just a controlled choice among a handful of corrupted companies. The Elites bounce us Americans back between government control and corporate control. The joke is, of course, is that both sectors are owned by the same people.
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– Rick voted with big Pharma and against seniors getting lower cost prescription drugs.He sided with the big drug companies by voting to increase their profits and keep seniors from buying low-cost prescription drugs from Canada.
No wonder the drug lobby gave Santorum committees half a million dollars.

Rick voted for the Medicare Part D plan that was a huge step toward socializing medicine in America. Thanks a lot comrade Rick! Here's an itemized table of gifts received.

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– Rick isn’t interested in protecting other people’s right to compensation if they are victims of medical malpractice, but that position didn’t keep his wife from suing a Virginia chiropractor for a half-million dollars in “pain and suffering.”Instead, Rick voted to prevent Americans from getting just compensation for their pain and suffering caused by medical malpractice.
And his wife suing a chiropractor for $500,000 becomes even more hypocritical since that’s twice as much as the cap on such damages that his own legislation would have allowed others to receive.
Rick calls their own lawsuit a “private family matter,” but doesn’t seem to think everyone else’s family deserves the same rights and respect.
In fact, Rick has said that Griswold vs. Connecticut was wrongly decided, that there is no right to privacy and, therefore, the state has the right to regulate even the use of birth control by married couples.
Again, I'm against frivolous lawsuits and think there ought to be serious tort reform. But half a mill for "pain and suffering"??  Note to medical professionals, if you are taking care of a Congressman's family member and don't deliver the goods, expect your life to end in financial ruin. In fact, the judge slashed the settlement:


"That's where again you're misled is that a lot of, there was cumulative damages," he said. "The medical bills, lost income, all those other things that were out there."
Those medical bills totaled $18,800, yet she sued for $500,000. And lost income? The judge made no mention of that when he slashed the jury's award in half, saying it was excessive.
Lost income? Does the woman even work outside the home? I thought she was a SAHM?
The judge noted that the remaining damages "awarded amounted to something in the neighborhood of $330,000 or so for injuries sustained and the effect upon Mrs. Santorum's health, her past and future pain and suffering and inconvenience.


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– Rick claims to be opposed to stem cell research, but is he or isn’t he?At the same time he was declaring his opposition, his political committee accepted well over $50,000 from companies that perform this very type of research.
And then he compared Sen. Specter’s bill to provide federal funding for a wider range of stem cell research to “the wholesale destruction of human life paid for by the federal government.”
Against all Heresies has a very good run-down on the hypocrisy on display here.

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– Rick voted to cut billions in loans that help middle class students afford college, but he voted to give oil companies an additional $2 billion in new tax breaks.Roll Call 363, H.R. 6, December 21, 2005
Santorum voted to concur with the House amendments to S. 1932, the Deficit Reduction Omnibus Reconciliation Act of 2005
House OKs legislation to save $39 billion over 5 years,” Knight Ridder Newspapers, Feb. 1, 2006“…The largest reduction in spending would be a nearly $12 billion slice in federal student loans.”
Joint Committee on Taxation, “Estimated Budget Effects of the Conference Agreement for Title XIII. OF H.R. 6,” July 27, 2005Roll Call 213, H.R. 6, July 29, 2005“How Those Big Bucks End Up In Big Oil’s Pockets,” Washington Post, Aug 7, 2005“…In recent months, oil company profits have soared again as international crude prices have hit new highs. Yet the reaction of the American public has been more muted. And that has probably emboldened Congress — which, instead of investigating oil companies, just handed them (by various estimates) anywhere from $1.4 billion to $4 billion in tax breaks in the new energy bill.”
I'll be the first to agree that the Constitution does not provide for underwriting student loans. It however, does not authorize social and economic planning via selective tax breaks, either. Sen. Santorum was the #2 recipient of donations from the Oil and Gas sector right behind Kay "bailout" Hutchinson in the 2006 election cycle. Bomb, bomb, bomb Iran indeed. Who would want all that sweet, sweet Texas tee which is a bubblin' on the Persian plane?

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– In his last year as a Senator, Rick’s political committees accepted more money from lobbyists than any other member of Congress. No wonder he voted to give billions in special tax breaks to oil companies.“The Bankrollers: Lobbyists’ Payments to the Lawmakers They Court,” Public Citizen, May 22, 2006 http://www.citizen.org/documents/BankrollersFinal.pdf“Lobbyists: Top 20 Recipients 2006,” Center for Responsive Politics web sitehttp://www.opensecrets.org/industries/recips.asp?Ind=K02&cyc...http://santorumexposed.com/?p=133
The man didn't meet a lobbyist he didn't like, except of course a gay lobbyist, that's probably his line in the sand. Selling America out to everybody and everything with an open wallet is not a problem, however.

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Rick Santorum has a long, colorful history of making bizarre, inflammatory and just plain ridiculous statements about all sorts of important issues. Here is a rundown of some of Rick’s “greatest hits.”“A lesbian woman came up to me and said, ‘why are you denying me my right?’ I said, ‘well, because it’s not a right.’ It’s a privilege that society recognizes because society sees intrinsic value to that relationship over any other relationship.”
- Rick Santorum on gay adoption, 5/3/11
I'm not in favor of gay adoption, in fact I've seen what it can do first hand - warp a child incredibly. But what's interesting about his comment is that Santorum states that "society" sees an intrinsic value to a particular relationship. Having a child, God Willing, is a right recognized in the Old Testament. Remember the story of Tamar and Onan? God gave this woman the parts to get the job done. Why did Santorum not remind the woman of the privates God gave her? He goes to this nebulous society Borg collective idea that the progressives have been pushing down our throats for a century now. You see, my privilege in homeschooling is totally dependent upon society seeing an intrinsic value in it. That's the logic Santorum is following. We don't have rights, we have privileges bestowed upon us from an ever shifting society. That's just messed up!
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“The notion that college education is a cost-effective way to help poor, low-skill, unmarried mothers with high school diplomas or GEDs move up the economic ladder is just wrong.”
–Arguing that poor, unwed mothers don’t really need college educations. It Takes a Family, Pg. 138, July 2005.
Um, ok. This is partially true if we were living in a world where the special interests that Rick Santorum so clearly works for hadn't rigged the job market to where you need a college degree or some sort of licensing to obtain even menial employment. I think a lot of you know exactly what I'm talking about. Knowledge that used to be acquired "on the job" is now part of some program that you have to pay for and who benefits but the banks that underwrite the funding. It also doesn't help that our manufacturing base has been off-shored and all we've got left in the low-skill arena is service jobs.
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“Why do I owe them money for a bill they approved that was lawful? I don’t owe them anything,”
–On why he doesn’t plan to reimburse the Penn Hills School District the $100,000 it spent on his children’s tuition while they were living in Virginia.
Senator denies owing district, Pittsburgh Tribune Review, November 24, 2004
Again, $100k on "cyber" education? It's called a $5 used World Book encyclopedia, a ream of paper, and a pack of pens. Good grief!


So in conclusion, what we have here is a seriously conflicted individual. On the surface, he appears as the consummate family man, giving all the right lip service that us social conservatives like to hear. But in the background, we see a man who never met a lobbyists he couldn't deal with, except maybe a gay rights one. By refusing to work with them, he probably rationalizes all the other wheeling and dealing he does. I'm not a pro-queer person, understand, but there are a lot of motes sticking out of eyes here. There is a vacuous space where principle ought to be. For instance, there is no way I would ever take $100K to educate my kids, not even if I had 10 of them, because that's just obscene. Even after you bought all their books, paid for an umbrella school, enrolled them in a co-op, and paid for piano, dance, and whatever lessons, you'd still have a ton left over. Why not send them to Andover or something. Good grief! The starving kids and Bibles for China would have been appreciative of that money, but anyway..
Getting back to our man Santorum, I have made a colorful map which should help those of you see what we're talking about. It is important to note that in the infamous 2006 election cycle where the Republican Party had its behind firmly whipped, Santorum received more campaign contributions from lobbyists than any other Congressperson. Well Done, Rick!

During that same election cycle, Ron Paul raised 1.5 million with 97% being from individuals.
Comparing that to Rick, who raised $28.6 million with 78% being from individuals, most of which were connected.

Oh yes, and Rick is still all about the Patriot Act. Maybe he doesn't know or care how this could be turned on anyone his nebulous "society" deems undesirable.

The obligatory map:
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23 comments:

  1. Thanks RM. I didn't know anything about the guy.

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  2. Yeah, I didn't really either. So many candidates to go through. I knew he gave me the lawyer swarmy feeling, though.

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  3. Swarmy--yes, that's the way I felt everytime I saw him in the debates--and I didn't know all of this stuff, either! He always comes across like he has a chip on his shoulder. I guess it's hard trying to pretent you're something that you're not. Santorum was NEVER on my radar for a vote to start with...but now! Thanks for the research.

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  4. Sad you call yourself a conservative and use lies and smears against a good family man. Your facts are twisted and untruthful. Very dishonest and misleading. If you really want to inform your readers, why not share what makes your candidate best, rather than tell them lies about another candidate?

    As a Santorum supporter, I expect these attacks in the comments on Santorum from the lame stream media. However, I am disappointed to see it coming from other conservatives. This is why Perry, Bachmann,Palin,and Cain were eventually thrown under the bus. The GOP establishment wants their guy,the rest want their guy and nobody is fighting the real enemy the media&Obama!

    Newt&Santorum have both spoken out against the media in the past and most recently Santorum has when they tried to trap him on the comments Foster Friess said. In the end we need to stop the negativity on the conservative candidates and leave the bashing to the media and Obama, we need to stand united and not let them divide us further. Obama and his propaganda machine will do enough of the mudslinging and digging in the General election, we need to stop giving them fuel to add to the fire.
    Here are some of my reasons I support Santorum and don't fear his presidency. Newt is my alternative, but Santorum's values fit my beliefs best and that is what the primary should be about, in my opinion.
    Reasons to support Rick Santorum...8yrs on the armed services committee&war hero General Boyken http://ht.ly/99C9M also see
    Time to unite w/Santorum latest PPP poll:If Gingrich dropped out 58% of his supporters say they would move to Santorum, while 22% would go to Romney and 17% to Paul.Character Matters,Along W/Faith,Family&Freedom-Support Santorum in 2012 http://t.co/CYKH4gY <attacks on Santorum are an attack on conservative&religious values&freedoms...if we are to remain the party of family values&morals...we must Unite as One Nation Under God.
    Clearing up False Claims Against Rick Santorum http://ht.ly/9afYy <great compilation;&exposes Newt's agenda #tcot #prolife
    http://ricksantorumforpresident.wordpress.com/2012/01/29/facts-responding-to-attacks-towards-senator-rick-santorum/

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    1. I see, a man who has a family is above scrutiny, is that what you're saying? I guess enemies to the US should just be "good family men" as their cover, and then conservatives won't question them.

      Lady, who do you think owns the media? It's not liberals, it's bail-out banksters who have a bipartisan plan to reduce this country into a controlled command economy. What you would refer to as socialism, which was bought and paid for my our Federal Reserve.

      I think you are trying to send me links or something??

      Here's the bottom line: Rick Santorum never served in the armed forces that he sends off to war via his comfy little committee.

      Ron Paul is an actual veteran and is the choice of "awake" veterans. Rick Santorum will never be president because I and millions like me will never vote for a dip like him. I notice you couldn't disprove the contents of this post or illustrated how they are misleading. This man is a K Street whore, and could not win reelection in his own state. These and everything else in this post is demonstrably true. It's called vetting and it doesn't make you a bad person to check their record. Even a child is known by his doing (Proverbs).

      By the way, I'm more conservative than you could ever hope to be. I know what's going on here and you obviously do not.

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  5. This Patty says you lie&smear, then gives no example. Everything here I've read in Newspapers,Articles or Video. There are several blogs from Pennsylvania. Who would know better? Who's lying and smearing? You Are, Honey

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    1. To Republicanmother, Anonymous and all others who have responded....
      I tried to be nice,I tried to ask you to stand up for your candidate instead of smear,lie&attack like the liberal media does,Romney,Paul&Obama does. Instead, it appears Paulbots are as obsessive&narcissistic as Obamabots.

      You ignored everything I wrote,probably didn't bother reading any of the links I included which disprove your 'facts' and then have the nerve to say I gave no examples. Left leaning or anti-Santorum 'blogs from Pennsylvania' are meaningless, opinionated and bias.

      You can support Romney's lap dog all you want,but Paul&Romney are not conservatives and are turning their back on other candidates by creating an alliance against other candidates rather than attacking the true enemies,Obama and the media.

      Paul is a libertarian with liberal stripes and Romney is a moderate with liberal stripes. Neither will do anything to renew conservative principles. Paul even lied about being against foreign aid;yet the only foreign aid he supports is to Hamas terrorists...he was one of six who voted to continue aid to Hamas,Israel's enemies&designated terrorists, rather than suspend aid. He's a fraud, an anti-semite and a liar. He's the real fake! Paul along with plastic Romney are fake conservative candidates. Paul couldn't even get elected as a libertarian so is running as a republican. He's been a DC insider for 30yrs+ and has nothing to show for it!! Wake up or be defeated!! Santorum 2012 :P

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    2. Couldn't read any of YOUR links , None of them worked but here's one >> http://www.pennlive.com/midstate/index.ssf/2012/01/pennsylvania_gop_leaders_santo.html

      As far as Pennsylvania is concerned, who would know him better, how are they "biased"

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    3. http://www.5newsonline.com/news/nationworld/la-pn-pennsylvania-voters-say-rick-santorum-cant-beat-obama-20120227,0,3869146.story

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    4. "tried to be nice???" you introduced yourself on this blog to me thusly"
      "sad that you call yourself a conservative" and accuse me of "smearing" after I've been apart of the conservative movement since I was a teen.

      You see, Patty, I have internalized the information and am able to write it "in my own words", then I backlink to support my claims. You seem to be unable to do that, but attempt to link to a lot of biased Rick talking point sites. My links go to actual news articles, not partisan websites.

      Paul is a liberal??? You need to get out more. Seems like the "fake" label really got under your skin. lol.

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  6. Lame Stream Media, who's she think she is, Sarah Palin? LOL BTW Palin's Not and has never run for President

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  7. Thanks for dropping by guys. I wrote this a couple of months ago, but seems to be holding up well. This list came originally from Santorumexposed.com. When your constituents have to have a website to catalog how corrupt you are, that's pretty bad.

    Yes, Patty sure didn't point out any actual lies. I like specifics. But a lot of these surface conservatives are rapidly running out of ammo when it comes to actual reality vs. what their mind minders in talk radio are telling them. They don't want to wake up.

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  8. Well RM, it's not like I,m gonna vote for obama directly or indirectly. Respectfully.

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    1. Understand the dilemma. But Santorum is not going to win a general election, that is a given. So the calculation on what constitutes a direct or indirect vote for Obama becomes complicated. Ron Paul has the widest appeal in a general, that's why they've done the "unelectable" lie thing from the beginning in good Goebbels fashion. Looking at the bankster ties, I see things this way: Obama=Romney=Gingrich=Santorum - they all play for Team Bankster. I know this to be true based on who donates to them and their respective records.

      I'm to the point of wearing my tartans, painting my face blue and screaming FREEDOM on top of my roof and going with Paul - Plan A, or Gary Johnson Plan B. I'd actually rather have four years of Obama than potentially 8 of Mitt, or other Banksters Team R candidate. They're going to put in more tyranny, just with different rhetoric. I'm done with these people. D-O-N-E.

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    2. RM, I'll vote for Ron in the primary Mar 6. That will be My statement.

      IN the general election, I will do the Only thing I've done. I've yet to vote For someone. I didn't vote for Bush. I voted against democrats.
      I'll do it again, because of how Evil obamacare is. We've got 0 chance of it getting repealed with oblabber. That's my only real issue this election. We start getting more tea party people in pace, I'll start getting excited about us doing something that makes sense as a country.


      Whatever works for you. It's a free country and don't take this as Any Suggestion you do anything different than what is in your heart.

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  9. I'm from Pennsylvania,right outside Pittsburgh, Santorum is a sleezeball. The things in this article are true, That's why we kicked his butt out of Pennsylvania, Let Virginia have him.....and... I think this "Patty" is really Santorum in Drag

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    1. Congrats to PA for getting rid of Ricky. Yes is sleezyness really does show through to causal observer. But accusing Santorum of going around in drag, that would add to the accusations of him being a closet dweller, hmm? Seriously, did you see that interview back in 2003 where he said a "typical homosexual relationship" described the priest-student scandal? Makes you thing the man truly has issues with this stuff. I thought that was bizarre.

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  10. Yeah, I think he dwells on the homosexual thing just a little TOO much. It's pretty much made him a laughing stock. He's also made several excuses for pedophile priest. SORRY, there Is NO excuse for THAT. Santorum also nominated Pedophile Jerry Sandusky for a Congressional Angels in Adoption Award in 2002, the same year he got caught molesting a 10 yr. old boy in the locker room showers. There's something VERY WRONG about this guy.

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    1. I had to comment on this BS. Santorum had no idea about what Sandusky was doing,it just came out to the public this past year...so to hold him accountable for that is pure ignorance. Also pedophile priests are actually homosexuals. It's more a homosexual problem then it is a pedophile problem, but you probably won't admit that because you probably think homosexuality is acceptable behavior. Something is very wrong about others who claim to be conservatives but support homosexuality, anti-semites&dislike a candidate for having conviction in his faith.

      Ron Paul will never be President and thankfully he will soon retire from Congress. He has no record to be proud of,has accomplished nothing and all he can say is he served as a military doctor and then 30yrs in Congress doing nothing but criticizing other conservatives and defending our enemies while criticizing our country.

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    2. First, You've been misinform Jerry Sandusky’s charges of sex with underage boys was known well back to 15 years ago.The rumors, accusations and reports of Jerry Sandusky’s alleged rape of a young boy in the shower stalls were in the open in 2002. Wasn't Rick Santorum’s responsibile to investigate who he was honoring with a Congressional Angels award? He's been dodging this story so far, even claiming (Lying) "he didn't know Sandusky" http://www.dailypaul.com/215697/santorum-housed-sandusky-kids-making-them-available-to-dc-wealthy-and-politicians

      and Having Sex with children IS NOT Homosexuality, It's PEDOPHILA! And having FORCED sex, no matter if it's Homosexual or Hetorosexual Is RAPE. And what's the problem with the priest that rape little girls? Hmm? http://www.sdadefend.com/Watching-Waymarks/Priest-abuse.htm
      There's "something wrong " with anyone that makes excuses for these disgusting Men.

      And I wasn't really a Ron Paul Fan, though I might be NOW. He" hasn't accomplished nothing, but served as a military doctor and 30 years in Congress" ??? LOL !!!That's more than all the other canidate put together. What's Santorum's GREAT accomplishments??

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  11. Wow, Leena, you've really got my back here.

    I am NOT pro-homo, but I'm really, really ANTI child rape. In that interview, Santorum just blows past the fact that MINOR children were taken advantage of in church custody, by saying it was a typical homosexual relationship.

    Ron Paul got the Fed audited for the first time in its history!!! That's more than all the rest of them put together, even if it were only a partial audit. The fact that he's never been on a paid junket, never accepted lobbyist money (unlike Rick) and returns part of his office budget to the Treasury each year demonstrates that he is true to his values and his word. He is the REAL conservative, I understand if you don't recognize the real mccoy when you see it. He stands for this country as founded under the Constitution. Again, I won't blame you if you don't know what that looks like. You are probably very limited in where you get your information. Check out some the historical posts on my blog, and you will be amazed at what I have found!

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  12. Your Welcome Republicanmother,
    It seem our friend Patty here has the same problem Santorum has, Blame everything on the homosexuals.Why THAT'S an Excuse, I don't know. Rape is Rape. I don't care if it's two males, with females or man on boy.Making excuses for Rapist is dispicable.If it was consentual sex,The church would STILL have a problem, but it wasn't.
    And Rick Santorum was worried more about the reputation of His college & The Football program & Paterno's rep than he was about the BOYS.

    We already went through all this in PA.when Santorum was running for Senate, that's why he lost by a landslide.
    Santorum voted to give billions in special tax breaks to oil companies.

    Santorum's campaign committees received more money from lobbyists in 2005 than any other member of congress

    Santorum:
    “In this case, what we’re talking about, basically, is priests who were having sexual relations with post-pubescent men. We’re not talking about priests with 3-year-olds, or 5-year-olds. We’re talking about a basic homosexual relationship. Which, again, according to the world view sense is a perfectly fine relationship as long as it’s consensual between people. If you view the world that way, and you say that’s fine, you would assume that you would see more of it.”–Regarding Catholic Priests who molested children.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catholic_sex_abuse_cases
    I guess Santorum would be OK with a priest raping his 10 year old ??????

    I'm not sure any of the GOP runners can beat Obama, but I would NEVER vote for Rick Santorum, NEVER. I'm going to check out the rest of your blog, thanks

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    1. I was unaware of the Paterno timeline given I don't follow sports and such.
      Since I've begun my research on why our country is screwed up, I've learned to just follow the money and it always winds up passing through K Street, an area where Santorum is very familiar.

      I now view the world through the following lens:
      Obama=bankster=Romney=Gingrich=Santorum

      as they've all made money from the unconstitutional Federal Reserve Cartel, whether through lobby money or business dealings, they all tapped into the money machine and have a vested interest in keeping it going until it blows up.

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